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March 3, 2008

City Council: Feb 19 Minutes, Mar 4 Agenda

February 19 Minutes
March 4 Agenda

Posted by brenda p at 12:26PM under City Council, community | Tags:

4 Responses to “City Council: Feb 19 Minutes, Mar 4 Agenda”

  1. posted by Shawn at March 3, 2008 10:45 pm :

    Is it me or does it seem like the amount of people whining at council is going up?

    Some guy from out of town wants to build some okay development, and there’s a chorus of professional complainers who want to know EVERYTHING about it, but seem to already know it’s all about discrimination, etc. They’re mad when people come into the neglected areas and fix what they won’t fix, and then they scream when somebody wants to build a new neighborhood. They act like the city is paying money to develop these areas, and insist that the non-existant money be spent to fix up THEIR neighborhood — all the while trying to keep people who actually make enough money to pay taxes out. When they leave, it’s discrimination! when they come back, it’s discrimination!

  2. posted by Michael at March 4, 2008 6:17 am :

    No, its not you. The development & redevelopment process is dynamic and if it doesn’t occur, then stagnation and decline inevitably do. Petersburg knows both ends of this spectrum very well. In the last 50 years its been mostly stagnation & decline. But, when development & redevelopment start, the code word for some is Gentrification and that starts with G and it rhymes with D and that means Discrimination.

  3. posted by tg at March 4, 2008 6:16 pm :

    Democracy and free speech are ugly things.

    Luckily we have systems in place (Federalism and the city/county manager system) that does away with a pure democracy.

    Free speech is a more tricky item. In attempting to not abridge it, we end up having to listen to blowhards speaking at city council when the speaker’s only purpose is speaking.
    This wastes everyone’s time.

    I’ve seen other council meetings (other jurisdictions) where except for a particular public comment period, you can only speak if you register and then only on particular agenda items. Public comment period would not appear on every council meeting agenda but would be regularly scheduled. I think this is a good idea because council could better budget time for debate and the public would still be able to have it’s say.

    Topics not on the agenda can be brought up by the public either by contacting their council member or waiting for the open public comment period.

  4. posted by Shawn at March 5, 2008 12:07 pm :

    Don’t get me wrong. I have no problem with the allowing of the random slob to speak at council. I just have a problem with the speakers’ viewpoint.

    Do people in the cities of west VA come to council to complain about some new use for blighted property (or the tearing down of) by saying that it’s all to keep jobs away from west va and shunt them to minorites on the east-coast? I wouldn’t be surprised. PI leads this a.m. with a story about a factory on commerce street that some private individuals want to pour a bunch of money into. Some guy stands up and says that they should pour jobs into it. Two things: 1. the city of petersburg does not create the economy (jobs) 2. There is obviously a REASON there are few jobs remaining in the city. If these guys would demand that the city slash TAXES on businesses, we’d see private companies flush with jobs fighting each other to get here first. You can’t love jobs while hating the employer. Even George Mcgovern figured that out late in life.

    3. There are PLENTY of jobs outside the city for the getting. Because unemployment is low in virgina, employeers aren’t too picky. What these people seem to want is low-value-added factory jobs. Someone should tell them that those jobs are now leaving mexico and china (for places like vietnam)because labor is becoming too expensive even in china because of wage and commodity inflation. I try to explain it myself, but I wonder if I lose them at “low-value-added.”

    These people who scream for more hand-outs shoud be DELIGHTED that another large building will be added to the tax-rolls! Just look at the south street lofts building — they took it from a $100k building to a $4mm building — and they now have to pay FOURTY TIMES the taxes on the same property! What are the complainers doing to fill the city coffers so they can have their hand-outs? What are THEY doing to bring jobs to the community. What jobs are THEY creating? Governments don’t create jobs, they tax the wealth that private individuals make. IF they do things that prevent private individuals from making wealth, they have less they can tax.

    I am all for keeping procedure the way it is. If they shut these people up with procedure, they’ll say it’s discrimination of some kind, and we’ll have to listen to them somewhere else.

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